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 Posted - 03/25/2005 : 07:56:17
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| I am in the market for both a new grill and a smoker. I'm tired of buying grills that need rebuilding after a few years. I like the reputation and warranties of the Weber. I have been looking at the Summit series of grills. They seem to have the firepower that I'm looking for with the added bonus of a separate burner for a firebox. Has anyone had any experience with this grill and am I wrong to want to combine the 2 functions of grilling and smoking? Thanks to anyone who can help me piece this together . The grill Sgt. |
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Posted - 03/25/2005 : 17:40:48
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Grill Sgt.
I am not much on the gas grill scene, but yes I think Weber has made a fine product here. I got to see one work while in Atlanta at an Expo and this thing worked really well.
Trouble is I don't know if will last or not. It seemed to pretty well built, but then again you never know until you try it!!??
Sorry I could not be of more help here!!
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Posted - 03/27/2005 : 12:44:27
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Weber gas grills always looked rickety and weak to me. They DO have a heckuva warranty, so I assume that when they rust out, they'll replace it. When I compare gas grills side-by-side, I usually end up getting away from Weber because to me, they look like they are less grill for more money than the off-brands.
Sometimes the off brands look cheap, too. I've got a Brinkmann that I've used for a good year and a half. The only issue I had was that I would turn the gas on the bottle on all the way and it wouldn't light, so I recommend for any gas grill to not open the bottle up all the way but to instead just open 1/4 turn. You'll get plenty of gas and heat that way.
Someone earlier on the board ended up getting a Char-Broil and really seemed to like it, too. And I know a guy who sells Beef Eater gas grills and is pretty darn proud of them too.
Paul "SPIKE" McDonald
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Posted - 03/27/2005 : 14:04:22
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Summit's are nice in that most have dedicated smoker box burners, and they are bigger than the Genesis series. I've got a Genesis 3000 AKA Silver C. You'll get the best warranty in the business. I had my spit motor crap out after my second use. All they asked was.... where to send a new motor to. I use mine continuously, and after over 5 years the only thing that I've had to replace is the bars, and cooking grates. Thats expected for as much as I use it. I've had ALL the grills from ALL the manufacturers in the last 30 years. NOTHING has lasted or performed like the Webers. It doesn't matter wether gas or charcoal. I've got a bar-b-kettle from Weber that's AT LEAST 25 years old. What a war horse. The only thing it's had replaced were the cooking and coal grates. You know you've got a winner when the first thing out of someone's mouth is "How old is this thing"? when they see it. I wish I had the money to invest in one of the Summits, but I didn't. IAC I'm MORE than happy with the quality and performance of my Genesis ( and all the coal burners) from Weber. The added advantage is most Summits are large enough to accomodate a suckling pig. Just a bit too big to fit a Genesis (darn). Spend the cash. You won't be disapointed. AFAIC, nothing has the heat controlability of a Weber either. A pretty grill that can't be throttlled and PREDICTABLY controlled is USELESS AFAIC. Keep us posted with your decision as well as your accomplishments.
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Posted - 03/28/2005 : 08:54:03
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Hey Joe! I'm real curious to get a response from you and other Weber guys: I beleieve you when you say your old Weber grill has held up and done very well. I'd like you to go look at some of the new Weber grills on the market today and see how they compare to what you have.
In other words, are the new Webers as good or better than the old Webers, or do you think that they have gone downhill??
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Posted - 03/28/2005 : 09:29:35
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Posted - 03/28/2005 : 16:09:43
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Originally posted by paulmcdonald
Hey Joe! I'd like you to go look at some of the new Weber grills on the market today and see how they compare to what you have.
In other words, are the new Webers as good or better than the old Webers, or do you think that they have gone downhill??
Paul "SPIKE" McDonald
Paul You've gotta gimme a couple of days but there's a "full line" store just a few miles away. Lemme go take a look and see what the new goodies look like. I promise to get back to you before the end of the week with my evaluation of how their current quality compares to the equipment I have. Which is a bar-b-kettle (22 1/2)at least 25 years old, a virgin 18 1/2 one touch I got at a garage sale for $20 which I've had for about 2 years, and the Genesis 3000 aka Silver C which I've had since 1999. I'll get you a rep before Friday. One thing you don't see that I know all the Weber gassers in here will back me up on is the evenness of heat across the grill. Now I'll be the first to tell you that all gas grills have "hot spots", that seem to be hotter than other parts, but of all the "cheap" gas grills I've owned over the last 30 years nothing even comes close to the even temp across the cooking surface that I've experienced on my Weber. That's a trait that can't be seen in a store. As we all know predictability in our cooking devices is half the battle in turning out quality product.
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Posted - 03/29/2005 : 08:00:03
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Thanks, Joe! I would really appreciate that report, and I think a lot of people here on the board will too!
If it turns out that old webers are better than new webers, we may just have to go into the used grill business!
Paul "SPIKE" McDonald
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Posted - 04/05/2005 : 19:03:35
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I have had my Silver going on 3 years now. Sits outside covered and gets used a lot. Have not had any problems (ceptin it won't hold a sucklin pig) but does do well overall.........
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Posted - 04/06/2005 : 15:56:43
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I should clarify--I'm talking about the weber gas grills.
I know weber makes great charcoal grills!
Paul "SPIKE" McDonald
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Posted - 04/06/2005 : 20:06:34
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I purchased the Char-broil a few months ago for my condo. I used it only about a half dozen times since I was only there for a few days, but my wife stayed there for another month and used it all the time and we both love it so far. It was on sale at Lowes for $299 ASSEMBLED, has 45,000 BTU, plus a side burner, and is all stainless. It has enameled cast iron grates, and it seems like a heck of a lot of pit for the money, but I cannot tell you how it holds up....... yet!
It SEEMS really good so far, but I will have to report back to you in a few years as to durability and you probably don't want to wait that long to buy a grill!!
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Posted - 04/07/2005 : 10:51:03
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Well, on the Char-broil, we brought it up to the deck on the condo (and I DID follow the advice here of checking with the condo assoc. as to legality and it is O.K.). We had to bring it up the steps and through the living room to get to the deck with it, as our condo is on a second level!! Wife was giving me one of those "I dare you" looks as we passed through the living room! Got it set up in a jiffy as it was already assembled. I would imagine it is not as efficient as my heavy smoker and grill, as it has a single-thickness hinged top, and of course it is adequate, but probably doesn't hold the heat nearly as well as my heavy one, but then we couldn't have gotten it up the stairs.
first night made a grilled pizza (first one0 and burned it to kingdom-come!!! Second day I smoked a Boston Butt...... turned on only one of three burners, used hickory chunks in a can over the burner....... smoked for about 10 hours......... DAMNED GREAT. Good flavor... pulled apart like a champ............
I am quite happy with it so far...........
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Posted - 04/07/2005 : 20:24:28
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Anybody care to respond to this?
yeah...I will. I had to work last weekend so I couldn't get the response to you like I promised, and Monday I had an adverse reaction to my chemotherapy medicine that landed me in the ER for 6 hours, followed by a 3 day stint in the hospital cardiac ward till Thursday night. On the bright side I'm home now, and I'm figuring out what to cook this weekend. In any case I did have a chance to go to that store as I promised, and evaluated the new 2005 Weber gas grill line. Here are my findings...
They still use the same gauge square stock as mine for the frame. So that part should hold up nicely. All of the new grills have enclosed lower partitions. Both the Genesis line as well as the Summits.This is a change for the Genesis line which until now has been open. Since they (the Genesis line) have the stainless doors now the rickety looking basket on the bottom of the last few years has been replaced with a solid shelf. The difference between the "A" and the "B&C" series grills is that the enclosed area on the "A"'s just covers the firebox. The other 2 have more enclosed area since it entends out to below the burner area also. The one thing I don't like about the new Genesis line is that they placed a fixed thermometer right in the middle of the lid. I don't think this will be as accurate as the older style that was lower and closer to the cooking grate. Another change to the newer units is they only have one row of flavorizer bars, and I have 2 rows on mine. I didn't see how the smoker box will operate on the new Genesis line with just this single row since the bars run lengthwise left to right, and my smokebox runs front to back. With mine you remove one of the short bars running front to back and replace it with the smokebox. Works great. So much for the Silver series. The platinum series is basically identical except for the addition of more stainless. In all Genesis cases the cooking areas and btu input are identical to the numbers in my 1999 booklet.
The summit's are pretty much the same as they've always been. Stainless, bigger than the Genesis line, and pricier. I didn't like the bottomless smoker box of the Summit series. One of the flavorizer bars acts as the bottom. I do like the fact that the summits have a dedicated smokebox burner. I think this would make cold smoking a might more feasible(in cold weather)on these units. Cold smoking is impossible on a Genesis. Summits come in 4 and 6 burner configurations. The 4 burner unit has a total cooking area of 700 sq. in. 504 sq. in. primary cooking area, and 44000 btu input. the 6 burner unit has a total cooking area of 902 sq. in. 648 primary cooking area, and 57600 btu input. I've heard tell of sucklings fitting nicely on the 6ers. I think the 6ers also come standard with the ir rotisserie burner. I didn't see this as being available on the 4's. All in all to answer your question Paul, I think the grills as at least the same quality as my 1999 version. I'm extremely pleased with the durability and function of mine. The only thing's I've had to replace were the flavorizer bars and the cooking grates. I'm a year round exterior cooker with a 25 year old 22 1/2" Weber Bar-B-Kettle, a 18 1/2 Weber One Touch, a 1999 Weber Genesis 3000 AKA Silver C. A Weber go anywhere gas grill (race track necessity), a cute lil hibachi (great for sates), a brinkmann Cook-N-Cajun Bullet, and lastly (for the moment) an Oklahoma Joes 185,000 btu 32 quart turkey fryer. Next on the docket is to pitch the brinkmann, replace that with a wsm, and get a 24 inch gas fired gosms. HTH
Joe
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Posted - 04/07/2005 : 23:00:27
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Wow, Joe! I didn't know you were going through all that. Thanks for the report!
Paul "SPIKE" McDonald
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